Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
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The openly gay bishop whose ordination sparked the crisis in the Anglican Communion has claimed the Church of England would be close to shutting down if it was forced to manage without its gay clergy.
The Bishop of New Hampshire in the US, the Right Rev Gene Robinson, who is divorced and lives openly in partnership with a gay man, said he found it "mystifying" that the mother church of the Anglican Communion was unable to be honest about the number of gay clergy in its ranks.
He said many of the English church's clergy lived openly in their rectories with gay partners, with the full knowledge of their bishops. But he criticised the stance of bishops who threaten the clergy with emnity should their relationships become public.
Speaking in an interview in London, Bishop Gene said: "I have met so many gay partnered clergy here and it is so troubling to hear them tell me that their bishop comes to their house for dinner, knows fully about their relationship, is wonderfully supportive but has also said if this ever becomes public then I’m your worst enemy.
"It’s a terrible way to live your life and I think it’s a terrible way to be a church. I think integrity is so important. What does it mean for a clergy person to be in a pulpit calling the parishioners to a life of integrity when they can’t even live a life of integrity with their own bishop and their own church? So I would feel better about the Church of England’s stance, its reluctance to support The Episcopal Church in what it has done if it would at least admit that this not an American problem and just an American challenge. If all the gay people stayed away from church on a given Sunday the Church of England would be close to shut down between its organists, its clergy, its wardens.....it just seems less than humble not to admit that."
He said The Episcopal Church, under threat of sanctions from the Communion's Primates if it does not row back on its liberal agenda at a meeting of its bishops in September, had been ordaining gay priests "for many, many years."
He said: "Not every bishop will do that but many do. I will and have. Many make a requirement that the person be celibate, but many do not make such a requirement. It’s interesting that the wider Anglican Communion has either not known that or has not chosen to make an issue of it before now."
He was "surprised" that this did not become an issue until his election, and argued that if the principle of gay ordination is wrong, it should be wrong for both priests and bishops, not just bishops.
Speaking of his recent meeting with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, who is currently on study leave during which he has almost completed a book on Russian author Dostoekvsky, Bishop Robinson said: "It was very private and I was eager and willing to accommodate him and when he asked me not to function liturgically or to preach I was saddened by that but I want to help him as much as I can. I’m limited in what I can do and I won’t step down, but other than that I am eager to try and help him any way that I can. I certainly would not do so (celebrate or preach) without his permission."
He said bishops in the Church of England had backed him but declined to name them. "I have received huge support from the Church of England both from the clergy and from the pews. Hardly a day goes by never mind a week that I don’t receive encouraging words of support. I think the thing that is the most mystifying to me and the most troubling about the Church of England is its refusal to be honest about just how many gay clergy it has – many of them partnered and many of them living in rectories."
He attacked the proposals to discipline The Episcopal Church for its actions in consecrating him. "Let me say two things about that. One is the whole notion of punishment being meted out to provinces of the Anglican Communion that are somehow non-compliant is somehow antithetical to the whole Anglican tradition, positing some sort of centralised Curia that has the ability and the authority to do such a thing, is about as un-Anglican as you can imagine. After all, our church was founded in resistance to a centralised authority in Rome. And so to pose the possibility of such a centralised Curia with those kinds of authorities seems to me to be as un-traditional as it could be."
He admitted that if The Episcopal Church were to be expelled, it would be "diminished" by its lack of connection to the church in the rest of the world.
"The other thing that needs to be said is that we have deep and abiding roots in Africa and in Asia and in South America and no matter what happens to the Communion we will keep up those connections. As you and I sit here right now there are I think 40 bishops from Africa and 40 bishops from America meeting in Spain. These are bishops who have had connections between America and Africa for many many years and I can’t imagine that change in status would destroy those connections."
He also emphasised his roots in evangelicalism. "As a matter of fact I’m more evangelical than almost anyone you would run into in the Episcopal Church... When I speak to gay and lesbian groups I don’t talk to them about gay rights, I talk to them about their souls. My goal is to get them to church and bring them to Jesus."
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In the same way that the sick need a doctor, Jesus came to preach to the sinners not the righteous...... so of course homosexuals are welcome in the Christian church. BUT they, like all Christians, must repent of their sins. Gene wishes not to repent but to embrace and propagate sinful behaviour.
Andy, Newcastle, UK
Didn't Cramner bring his wife into England in a barrel??? The C of E is behaving exactly as it always has done. Patience Bp Gene.
Jane Knight, DIDCOT, UK
There's one thing that the world needs to know &that is "He who said thou shall not murder, a man should not sleep with a man&a man should never sleep with an animal" has not changed, He is not like the latest mobile phone. what you don't understand is His grace and longsuffering.
Mercy, London, United Kingdom
Let the Church of England close its door along with its liberal counterparts in Canada and the U.S, and let the entire system go bankrupt. It is a travesty that their are so many heretics leading this denomination. I hope more of their congregations fold and the archbishop has to take early retirement and lose his pension. I am praying that the Lord will close down these synagogues of satan and raise up true churches with godly men (not women) who will once again shepherd souls like J. C. Ryle, William Temple, and others.
Stephen, Halifax, Nova Scotia
As a Gay Episcopalean , who dearly loves his Lord , his church , and it's Bishops , Priests , and Deacons....I wish
only that those who desire to " break out " of the shackles that bind them , might know the freedom that Jesus Christ offers on a daily basis.....as + Gene and I know Him.....freedom to PRAISE....LOVE...FOLLOW....GIVE....in an EXTRAVAGANT manner....
David R. Lyon, Dallas, Texas
If the gay clergy "walked off the job"
I think God would raise up biblical
pastors and priests to fill thier positions. Robinson is arrogant in
his error.
ghricks, Richmond Va.,
So, Bishop robinson believes that the church would be lost without gay clergy.
Here is the reality. The church he so loves is lost anyway. Christ's church however, will live on. Tis a shame that Robinson is not part of it. But he could be! Stay in prayer believers!
D. Bazingo, Goatsgill,
Bishop Robinson is a troubled man for sure, and it seems by the resonses I have read here, he is not alone. No doubt there has been efforts to change the culture of Anglicanism and North American and Europe and other areas on this subject. And in the short term some wonder if this is not right. But in the long haul it will show itself for what it is, another effort by those opposed to God and His blessed revelation in Jesus Christ. Many Christians do not understand the doctrine of God or of fallen human nature. But Bishop Robinson should... and does!
John Posey, St. Louis, Missouri
Gay couples are triumphant now -- they have inherited the kingdom of the earth -- and it looks as if they will go before the cynical clerics into the Kingdom of Heaven as well. Robinson speaks honestly and openly before the world -- his position is unassailable. But as he himself tells us: "The church has taught us all to condemn homosexual behaviour. I would argue it has taught that mistakenly, but I can certainly understand why people feel this way, so no, I don't have any trouble forgiving." Gay couples have performed a heroic feat in overcoming two millennia of benighted teaching, often at great personal expense. Robinson will long be remembered as one of the heroic Christians of our time.
Joe O'Leary, Tokyo, Japan
Thank you for your sane and honest reporting of the interview with Bishop Robinson. He is indeed speaking the truth, not only about the Church of England, but also about Roman Catholic churches in Europe and America. Most gay people would prefer to keep their faith AND their church, but if they are pushed, they would singificantly swell the numbers of the openly gay-accepting churches in the world. It is imperative that the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Roman Pontif reconsider their rejection of God's love for all people, if they are to retain any validity for their offices. Meanwhile gay priests and chaplains and deacons will continue to minister to God's people.
stephen bartlett-re, San Francisco, California , USA
Bishop Gene Robinson's ordination is one of the "shots heard round the world" re the attainment of equality for gays, who deserve our love, respect and the churches full blessings. There are some 30,000 verses in the bible. Picking out of a few to condemn our gay/lesbian citizens, while ignoring the meaning of Jesus life on Earth is a tragedy for mankind.
Perhaps the biggest problem with religion in general is it is designed to never change, or take centuries to change, while humankind is getting more and more closely connected via the various marvels of communication. The church(es) face the need to become modern, or to become irrelevant in the modern era. It is that simple. You haven't seen anything yet, because in the next 25-100 years science will create basic life forms out of non-life, and human like personalities in computers that will be self aware. Religion needs to bring a positve contribution to mankind, not hatred based on stories from an age of ignorance.
SteveMD2, Annapolis, MD
I don't believe that VGR was ever in any danger during his "consecration" as bishop. And I'm not convinced he wore a bullet-proof vest, either. Stuff like that makes hot copy, but who could credit it?
Grace, Parksville, Canada
It's the in-your-face hypocrisy of this Church which explains the empty pews. Hollywood is defined by sex and violence, Wall Street by avarice. And the Churches of both England and Rome are defined by their shameless hypocrisy.
The Bishop of New Hampshire speaks the truth. And this frightens all who tell lies.
Within one generation the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Bishop or Rome will have no one left to excommunicate but each other.
David Jacobsen Söberg, Hamilton, Ontario, CANADA
thanks for the full posting.
louise moon, waldorf, Maryland